Thursday, June 5, 2014

Understanding the MENTOR Archetype

Once again, I'm going to talk about Michael Hague and Christopher Vogler's The Hero's 2 Journeys. Specifically the character known as the mentor archetype. 

I'll  start with a little background behind the Hero's Journey.


Joseph Campbell was an American author and teacher known for his studies in the field of comparative mythology.  He applied modern psychology to mythology and outlined what is known at the Hero's Journey in his book The Hero With a Thousand Faces.

In Campbell's book the Mentor is a supernatural aid, "an old crone or old man who provides the adventurer with amulets against the forces they will pass.

In the first books we were introduced to as children, we saw the mentor as a benign, protecting power, helping the protagonist on the road to destiny. Think fairy godmothers or Glinda the Good Witch in Frank Baum's book, or Merlin and in the tales of King Arthur. They can also be supernatural helpers in the form of wizards, hermits or shepherds. They supply amulets and advice the hero requires. Another example is Jiminy Cricket in the Disney version of Pinocchio.


What about the mentor in the romances we write?

Christopher Vogler's first discusses the mentor in his book, based on Campbell's work, called The Writer's Journey. The same info is found on his portion of the DVD and CD of The Hero's 2 Journeys.

Vogler lists these functions of the mentor:


Teaching and training-the key function of the mentor.

Gift-giving-a clue, a key, a magic token or a piece of advice or warning. Vogler tells us that gifts are usually earned by learning, sacrifice or commitment. 


Inventor-some mentors are scientists or inventors and their gifts are their creations.

Conscience- some mentors function as the moral compass for the hero.

Motivation-the role of some mentors is to motivate the hero to overcome their fears.

Planting-clues or props can be planted by the mentor for use by the hero, later in the story.


Types of Mentors:


Dark Mentors-or the anti-Mentor. The mentor who attempts to lead the hero down the road to self-destruction. Or the dark mentor could be a mentor that the hero outgrows. Their advice is no longer valid as the hero moves to the next stage of development.


Fallen Mentors-the mentor who is on his own journey and needs to get it together themselves to not only help the hero but themselves as well.


Continuing Mentors-they provide assignments for the hero and "set the story in motion." They are often bosses or senior authority mentors.


Multiple Mentors-the hero may have a mentor for each specific skill they need for the journey.


Comic Mentors-often seen in romantic comedies as the hero or heroine's best friend (male or female). Their advice can often lead the hero/heroine astray. 


Inner Mentor-seen where the hero is a loner and has internalized an inner code of conduct or ethics.


On to Michael Hauge who calls the mentor archetype the Reflection Character.

The reflection character is the sidekick character. They help the hero achieve their outer goals, by attempting to get the hero to step up to the plate and face their fears. On an inner level the reflection character acts like a conscience.

"In real life, the reflection character is one, who, no matter how difficult or painful, offers honesty, loyalty and real friendship."  He helps the hero reach his goal by making him accountable.

They can be the teacher, trainer, coach or therapist who gives the hero skills to achieve their goal.



Both Vogler and Hauge agree that the mentor is usually introduced in Act 1, in the first ten percent of the story.


(More reasons) WHY YOU NEED A MENTOR IN YOUR STORY:

1. They provide a way to share back story through dialogue.

2. They help eliminate large chunks of introspection by the hero.

3. They can add variety and spice and uniqueness to your story.

4. They can help move your plot forward.

5. They help develop your character arc as the hero learns the lesson they must learn.

6. They can provide a thread of unity/continuity in series books.

7. They push the hero out of their comfort zone.

Now let's talk my favorite mentor/reflection character-DONKEY in Shrek. The first movie, which we all know is NOT a movie for kids. It is a thoroughly adult film.


 Some dialogue between Donkey and Shrek:

Donkey: "Hey, what's your problem, Shrek? What do you have against the world anyway? Huh?"

 Shrek: "Look, I'm not the one with the problem. Okay? It's the world that seems to have a problem with me. People take one look at me and go, ahhh. Help. Run. A big stupid ugly ogre. They judge me before they even know me. That's why I'm better off alone."



Do you love it?? No boring, internal narrative in sequel. We have his internal conflict right there, live in scene, thanks to the mentor. What else do we have? E.M.O.T.I.O.N


And, the plot thickens as the mentor attempts to push Shrek out of his comfort zone and admit how he feels. It totally keeps us rooting for the hero too. ONCE AGAIN...EMOTION! 


Donkey:  "Look, I'm an animal and I got instincts and I know that you two were digging on each other. I could feel it."

Shrek: "Oh, you're crazy. I'm just bringing her back to Farquaad."

Donkey: "Okay, come on Shrek. Wake up and smell the pheromones. Just go in there and tell her how you feel."

 Shrek: "There's nothing to tell. Besides, even if I did tell her, well, you know... And I'm not saying I do...'cause I don't... She's a princess, and I'm...

Donkey: "An ogre?"

Shrek: Yeah. An ogre.


I rest my case with this final scene from Shrek:





Leave your example of a mentor from a book or movie and why you think they are a mentor, for a chance to win a copy of Shrek on DVD (the first one) and to another winner, the CD version of The Hero's Two Journey's. YOU HAVE TO TELL ME YOU WANT YOUR NAME IN THE DRAW! Winner announced in the Weekend Edition. 



Tina Radcliffe writes humorous contemporary romance and fun inspirational romance. Her next release is Stranded with the Rancher, coming in September from Love Inspired. She'll be teaching her final class in Seekerville Night Class Series in October-Self Editing for Beginners. For more information check here.

91 comments:

Marianne Barkman said...

You make it interesting even for a non-writer
Ike me, Tina. How was your week?

Tina Radcliffe said...

My week was excellent, Marianne. Among other things, I rewatched Shrek and wrote.

Helen Gray said...

Here comes the coffee!!

Uh, I've never seen Shrek.

But I love Ann Shirley's Miss Stacy as a mentor.

Tina Radcliffe said...

What about Marilla and Matthew? They're sort of mentors too. Gosh I need to re-watch that movie as well.

Helen Gray said...

You're right, Tina.

I watched those old movies a year or so ago, all three two-cassette movies. Late at night with only me up and about. Had a great time.

Terri said...

I like Laura's mentor Waldo Lydecker in the movie Laura. He mentored her and now is evil. Love it!

I've never seen Shrek. Throw my name in the hat please.

Is anyone going to the Early Bird at ACFW? The discussion on Vogler reminded me about it.

Great post, Tina. You are always so fun.

Lyndee H said...

Seriously, writing is hard. I'm just sayin'...

Tina, you know how to break this stuff down so I can understand it. However, sometimes I feel like one of those plate-spinner guys that thrilled me as a kid watching the Ed Sullivan Show. The plates sometimes come crashing down and sometimes they stay up. I guess the secret is practice! On that note, I might take up watercolor painting, too, while I'm at it! :)

Have a WONDERFUL Thursday, everyone!

Tina Radcliffe said...

SERIOUSLY??? You people don't know SHREK? Next you'll be telling me you haven't seen Galaxy Quest.

OMGOSH!!!

Tina Radcliffe said...



Lyndee, gotta love those mentors. They take the dull out of backstory.

Virginia Carmichael Munoz said...

Oooooooh.

I thought, "Ugh, I don't want to read a writing post. I'm up to my eyeballs in writing class. I'm tired of reading about writing. I just want to write something and it's two hours past my normal start time."

But I did read it... and I GOT GREAT IDEAS!! THANK YOU!!

I'm rubbing my hands together in writerly glee.

As for mentors... Um. I watched "The Proposal" with Sandra Bullock and Ryan Reynolds.

I would say the grandma (Betty White) is a big continuing mentor. She even gives gifts that bring the MC closer to the crossroads of doing what is right. The whole family could be "mentor" sicne they provide the backdrop of doing what's right (pretending they're having a wedding, when it's a sham). I think the dad could be a dark mentor, since he's working on the hero to do what he DOESN'T want to do. Oh, and the immigration official is definitely a dark mentor, following them to Alaska and providing another turning point about telling the truth (she doesn't). I think the retired stripper Ramone could be a comic mentor, since he's so insanely flirtatious (and makes the heroine realize that the hero's family is sane by comparison).

This was fun!!

Tina Radcliffe said...

Well done, Virginia. A+ Go to the head of the class.

I think one of the most obvious mentors is 'M' in the James Bond movies.

Ruth Logan Herne said...

The first mentor I loved was "Cousin Ann" in "Understood Betsy". She was a catalyst of learning and the voice of reason in Betsy's coming of age. I can still recite half the book today.

The next was "Aunt Eller" in "Oklahoma", the wisdom of the previous, common sense generation! "You look at all the good that happened and put it in one hand, the bad goes in the other, and you say "WELL, THEN..." to both of them!"

That flash of common sense told me as much as it told the actors!

I love using mentor characters. "Sarge" in Try, Try Again, "Boog" in "Running on Empty", Carmen Bianchi in "Loving the Lawman"...

For me, the reflection of that character is part of the baseline of the story, what helps connect the reader to the situation.
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Teeeeeeena, excellent reflection! Thank you! I love those books/DVDS/tapes, etc. I'm a Haugue and Vogler girl all the way!!!!

(this is not true, I'm mocking Tina, but some of you are probably thinking I'm NICE!!!! Hahahahahah!)

But this was an over-the-top excellent view of mentoring, Teeenster. Thank you sincerely!!!

Your friend,

Ruthy

Ruth Logan Herne said...

We Need Food

Will write for food.

Okay, so it's a delightful Thursday in upstate, a little cool... so hows about breakfast sandwiches for all????

Your choice, croissant or bagel, scrambled egg, cheese, (no charge for extra cheese!!!) bacon, sausage, ham or veggie version for Kav and our other veggie-lovers!!!!....

I'm going to grill the bagel or croissant, so give me a little time to fire up the old griddle.

And you are not limited to ONE delightful sandwich, my friends, this is not the school lunch program! Mosey on over to the breakfast bar and give your order!

Jackie said...

What a great post. I'll be reading this again and again. Thanks for sharing!

Mary Hicks said...

An entertaining and helpful post, thank you, Tina!!

I need to re-watch Shrek—it's been a while! You made me think of several good old movies that I haven't seen in a long time. :-)

Glynna Kaye said...

Excellent post, Tina! Mentors can be so very useful at so many varied levels--but especially to keep your hero/heroine from talking to themselves all the time! However, I'm SO ashamed...I've never watched "Shrek." Will have to add that to my "before I die" bucket list. :)

Glynna Kaye said...

Galaxy Quest??

Mary Connealy said...

A MENTOR?

YOU WANT ME TO THINK OF A MENTOR FROM FLM OR A BOOK?

MY GOSH IT'S EARLY IN THE MORNING FOR THINKING.

Mary Connealy said...

TINA made the intriguing choice to extensively quote Galaxy Quest in this month's RWR magazine.

I know I'm the wiser for reading it.

Mary Connealy said...

mentor MENTOR hmmmmm....

Wow, I'm just dead in the water.


Uh Professor what's his name from My Fair Lady? (which I've never seen)

OH WAIT Duncan McCleod to Richie in HIGHLANDER.

Mary Connealy said...

I think i'll just go ponder this for a while. Maybe sneak in a nap.

Debby Giusti said...

Great blog, Tina!

You know I'm a huge Vogler and Hauge fan.

You've made the mentor archetype easy to understand. A "keeper" blog for sure.

Audra Harders said...

TINA! I love it! I don't care how many times I hear about the Hero's Jouney or mentors or friends-who-are-the-voice-of-reason, I learn something new each time. You have such a gift for giving body to the obvious.

AND, I love Shrek. What a wonderful way to start my day. Thanks, kiddo!!

Audra Harders said...

Helen Gray. Did I read that right? YOU'VE NEVER SEEN SHREK??

Accccckkkkkkk! Put down what you're doing and go get the movie and watch it!! Maybe a couple of times. You've got some vast wisdom to catch up on, girlfriend!!!

Connie Queen said...

Virginia, Betty White in the Proposal. What's her comment when she meets Sandra Bullock? Something about calling her the devil's mistress. (I know, I just butchered that, but I love that scene.)

Tina, I'm having a hard time thinking this morning.
In Zorro, Antonio was mentored by Anthony Hopkins.
Wilson was Tim the toolman-Taylor in Home Improvements.

Jeanne T said...

Tina, LOVED this. And yes, I have seen Shrek. Watching that clip makes me want to find it and rent it to watch it again. :)

I'd never thought of Donkey as a mentor, but he sure is! :) I have mentors in my books because sometimes a character needs a voice of truth in his/her life. The thing I have to figure out how to do better is integrate them into the story so they don't just "show up" when my hero/heroine need to hear some truth. ;) I'd love suggestions if you have any to offer.

Let's see who are mentors in books or movies I've read?

In Letters to Juliet, Claire (the grand mother) is a mentor for Sophie. In Lord of the Rings, Gandalf is definitely a mentor for the team going to protect Frodo as they defeat Sauron. And in the Bing Crosby movie, Going My Way (Love that movie!), Father O'Malley is the main character but he's also a mentor figure as he transforms the congregation.

Okay, I could probably go on but I won't. :) I'd love to be in the draw for the book!

This post is definitely a copy-off-and-refer-to-often one! Thanks, Tina!

kaybee said...

Oh, Tina, this is DEEP. Good thing it isn't a Monday.
I think I have a mentor in "Trail," Caroline's best friend Martha, who supports her on the Oregon Trail journey and believes in her even when Caroline's reputation is trashed. I don't think I have one in "Town," the sequel, but it's still a WIP and I could get one in there.
I do have one in my Post World War I book, "Lost and Found," a woman named Julia who mentors the heroine both in settlement house work and her Christian journey.
This is something I'm definitely going to think about.
Don't put me in the drawing! Not a "Shrek" fan and just won something from Glynna.
Have a good day,
Kathy Bailey

kaybee said...

"Rayna" on "Nashville." (Guilty Pleasure, anyone?) She has to mentor younger country artists both professionally and personally, now that she owns the label. She's flawed herself but she has a huge heart.
KB

Mz.ZeyZey said...

I love this post. I am working on a set of books with a character that is sort of an anti-mentor. She isn't a villain, but I couldn't think of what she was. Thanks for giving me a word for her, Tina. Your characterization of Donkey and Shrek's relationship made your discussion of mentors all the more clear. Loved it!

I find the best mentor characters in Disney films--The Lion King had several mentor characters for young Simba--Scar, Mufasa, Timon & Pumbaa, and Rafiki. I love the mentor character played by Steve Buscemi in 28 Days. There are so many in movies! As for books, my favorites are Marilla in Anne of Green Gables and Shazzer and Jude in Bridget Jones' Diary. There are many I can name, but these immediately sprang to mind.

I would love to be entered in the drawing for either fabulous prize.

Missy Tippens said...

Oh, I thought of Donkey the whole time I was reading the post!! He's my all time fav too. :)

Great post, Tina!

Sandra Leesmith said...

Great post Tina and good points to remember. It amazes me how I do the right thing without even knowing it. sigh. All my books have mentors in them and here I didn't plan it that way. It was just easier as you pointed out to show the internal conflict in their interaction than just telling it. So yay. And thanks for showing me why I did it so I will be sure and continue to do it.

Sandra Leesmith said...

PS I agree that Shrek is an adult movie. I hate cartoon characters so resisted for years, but hubby finally convinced me and I nearly cracked up laughing at the subtle adult humor underlying the story. So funny, esp the reference to fairy tales.

Elaine Manders said...

I've never seen Shrek but I do love Yoda in Star Wars.

Great post, Tina. You always make us think.

Janet Dean said...

Tina, thanks for this wonderful post. Definitely print worthy to digest again and again.

I love mentor characters. Often mine are rather crusty, yet humorous old men. Something they say inspires the hero or heroine to find courage and fight for love.

I love Shrek! We all need friends like Donkey. He's one of my all time favorite characters!

As is Mammy in Gone With the Wind. A fabulous character who acts as Scarlet and Rhett's conscience.

Janet

Myra Johnson said...

Fun post, Tina!

And I am a Shrek fan AND I have seen Galaxy Quest!

I tend to have multiple mentors in my books, all depending on the situation and the characters involved. An example from When the Clouds Roll By would be Samuel's mother, who encourages Annemarie to open her own ceramics studio.

Oh, and THANK YOU for recommending Longmire! We just started watching on Netflix beginning with season 1! I've only seen two episodes so far, but I'm thinking maybe Vic is somewhat of a mentor for Longmire?

Tina Radcliffe said...

I'm starting backwards this am, as I sip my chai tea.

MYRA! Thank you, someone has been both movies.

Yes, I never thought of it, but Vic is the voice of reason for Walt. She always says, STOP, WALT!!She makes him think. Excellent. But it's sort of interesting because she so admires him.

Then Henry Standing Bear is the ever loyal best friend as well.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Good one, Janet! Mammy. Sometimes the BFF character is overused so I do tend to use older characters for mentors too. Grandparents, parents.

Tina Radcliffe said...

ELAINE!!! YODA IS THE ULTIMATE MENTOR!!!

Preslaysa Williams said...

Great post. I like The Oracle in the first Matrix movie. I think she's a good mentor because, although she has the gift of foresight, she doesn't predict Neo's future by telling him he's The One. That's something Neo has to believe for himself.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Exactly, Piper. Disney films use this technique all the time.

How about the Tom Hanks character in A League of Their Own. He is a FALLEN, drunk mentor striving to get his act together.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Ooh, ooh, ooh, Preslaysa! You nailed it.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Yes, Kathy, sounds like you already use the mentor, as do Missy and Sandra.

I find that having one really does eliminate those long skip over me, shoot me long sections of introspection. Let them talk!!!

DebH said...

GALAXY QUEST!!!!!! (by Grabthar's hammer, you shall be avenged...) Mwuahahahahahahahahahahahah... in my top 10 film list (Princess Bride = #1).

Loved Donkey in Shrek.
Loved Sully in Monsters, Inc.
Loved Edna in The Incredibles
Loved BoPeep in Toy Story

and then uber mentor of all - Yoda

"do or do not, there is no try"

which is what helps drive me as I frantically attempt to finish my KV ms.

awesome post. always learn something new here at Seekerville. sometimes more in the comment section than the post itself (just sometimes, usually when Vince shows up)

put me in for the Hero thingy, please. I have all the Shreks.

Tina Radcliffe said...

You got it Connie Queen.

Pa Walton in the Waltons.

He was a mentor.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Mary, how you mock me. I expect nothing less. May the fleas from a thousand camels infest your armpits dearest one.

Galaxy Quest is THE analogy movie for writers.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Debra! You have all the Shreks. Excuse me while I swoon.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Yes. GK. Love me some mentors. They add layers to my story!

I put them in every single book.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Jeanne T you have a BFF mentor in your WIP. She gives some slightly skewed but heartfelt advice to the heroine.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Ruthy, I am going to indulgently forgive you for harassing me and my love of The Hero's 2 Journey's but only because you brought your skillet.


Line forms to the right. I am not stupid. Never insult the woman who brings food.

DebH said...

Tina, you're cracking me up. Yes, my animation library is extensive (being an animator sort of does that) - although the library is sort of hurting since child unit was born. haven't been able to get out to see the latest flicks and the budget suddenly isn't so flexible to purchase them like I used to could. (hmmm, Jeff Foxworthy mentor to Larry the Cable guy on the Blue Collar tours? -stray thought...)

Mary Connealy said...

obi wan Kenobi

yoda

can't type much holding new grandchild while daughter sleeps

Loves To Read said...

Hi Tina - I love movies but the oldies are my favorites. Tony Randall is a comic mentor to Rock Hudson in Send Me No Flowers and his advice does nothing but get poor Rock into more trouble! But it's such fun to watch. I've seen Galaxy Quest (I'll watch anything with Alan Rickman in it!). But have never seen Shrek so please enter me in your drawing for whichever. I've seen some great examples today but Professor Higgins from My Fair Lady snd Waldo Lydecker from Laura are two of the best and the movies should be watched by anyone who loves the classics. Great post Tina!

Mary Connealy said...

Luther is a mentor in Petticoat Ranch. He appears in several of my books.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Hey, Loves to Read, you nailed it. Both you and Terri Weldon mentioned Waldo Lydecker from Laura, and I am clueless on this one.

New movie on TBW (To Be Watched) list.

Thank you.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Luther, a series unifying mentor. Way to go OH SLEEP DEPRIVED ONE.

LeAnne Bristow said...

This post had me cracking up the whole time! I love Shrek, but I have to say, my favorite mentor of all time is Dora from Finding Nemo. Could Nemo have ever been found with Dora? I think not. I love Dora. And Jeanne T took my second favorite, Claire from Letters to Juliet. Love that movie too! And thanks to Mary Connealy I'm going to Duncan McCloud stuck in my head all day (not a bad thing, I'm just saying).
Anyway, awesome post. Please throw my name in the drawing too :)

Donna said...

The first example I thought of was Sarge in Try, Try Again. He's one of my favorite all time characters!!

Popbottle Jones in Linda Goodnight's Redemption River series is a good one. I've read two in the series and he has been a subtle but guiding light for the main characters.

I can't believe so many people have not seen Shrek! But I must admit I've never seen Galaxy Quest. : /

Please enter me for The Hero's Two Journey's CD.

Tina Radcliffe said...

I've read Linda Goodnight's Redemption River series! Good call, Donna!

Tina Radcliffe said...

You are spot on, LeAnne. Dora! Totally a mentor.

Wilani Wahl said...

Tina, this post gives me a lot to think about. In Anne of Green Gables, Matthew and Marilla were definitely mentors.

By the way I read your book of short stories this week and it was a big hit that I know I will read again.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Thanks, Wilani!!! :)

May the K9 Spy (and KC Frantzen) said...

Oh this is so fun.
Really really. ;)

Will be thinking about my mentor character(s) as May & I continue her series.

Yes, another keeper here, Tina! Thanks!

Susan Anne Mason said...

Hi Tina,

Great post! Who doesn't love donkey?

I love mentors! Everyone needs someone to go to for advice. Just thinking about the mentor in my wip. He's going to be a prison chaplain who helped my hero turn himself around!

In my first book, Betrayed Hearts, coming out in August (shameless plug), the friend and mentor was so much fun that I gave her character her own book.(Book 2 - Wayward Hearts, releasing in December).

I am so excited to tell you that Bethany House is keeping my original title "Irish Meadows" for my historical! How great is that?!!

Off to work some more!

Cheers,
Sue

PS. Don't enter me in the draw as I have both items!

Myra Johnson said...

Getting to keep your chosen title is a real treat, Sue--so glad for you! I've been fortunate that way for just about all my books. After living with a title for the months or years you've been working on a book, it's hard to think of calling it something else.

Vince said...

Compliment Alert!!!
Fanfare -- ♪♫♫♪♪♫♫♪♪

Great post Tina!

While I am familiar with the material I never thought of it in terms of the different types of mentors. You caused me to make a few 'frames of reference' changes concerning some of my favorite books. I’ve been rethinking all morning.

“Zorba the Greek” can be seen as two mentors having the most interesting time trying to mentor each other. Zorba is a Will Rogers type homespun philosopher with great experience living and loving. He is a man of action. The other man is a young university educated philosopher much like Plato. He is a man of deep thought. Both men act to expand the other's character arc. In the end they both lose everything on a combined venture that dramatically fails. Imagine this: both heroes are on the beach looking at the wreckage they have made of everything when Zorba seems to recover from the shock. He says, “Let’s dance.” The two men dance on the shore. Philosophy is one thing, but life is the dance. I just love this insight! Brava!

Also, “The Price of Victory” could have been titled “The Mentor” – because that’s what it is about. The hero is older than the heroine. He has already achieved the glory she seeks in professional bicycle racing. He mentors her on race strategy. He also mentors her full time on physical therapy when she is injured. He mentors her on spiritual matters and is a constant source of inspiration. He even helps her with her family relationships. Best of all, he does this out of true love. I think he is the best romantic hero ever from a heroine’s POV. (Just $2.99 for the Kindle!)

Then there is Carmen Bianchi who I see as a meddlesome mentor. She would be my favorite fictional character to spend eight hours talking to on a plane trip to Italy. Without Carmen "Loving the Lawman" would have lost a star!

Beware of the ‘mentor’ – ‘mentee’ – ‘unmentor’ theme. This is where the mad scientist mentors the young hero and then the young hero explains things to the mad scientist’s beautiful daughter who often, like the reader, does not know what the two men are talking about. The mentor-mentee literary relationship is a minefield seeded with the most shopworn clichés. Use it with wisdom and the guidance of wise mentor – like Tina!

Bravissima!

I have both DVDs and I can say that some lucky winners are going to be very happy come this weekend.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Hey, hey, KC. The mentor could be a talking dog.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Hey, hey, KC. The mentor could be a talking dog.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Susan Ann Mason! Brilliant note! We do often give our mentors their own books!! Thanks for the reminder on that.

Tina Radcliffe said...

That is wonderful, Susan. Irish Meadows is a terrific title.

Tina Radcliffe said...

LOL!!! Thanks, Vince. An excellent comment!!

Chill N said...

Donkey!! He's the best. And his body language --particularly facial expression -- is good for a study, too.

As I was reading the list of types of mentors, I was getting a tad concerned because I didn't recognize any of them for one of my WIPs. Then I got to Inner Mentor ... and there was my answer. Phew!

Thanks for such a helpful post, Tina.

Nancy C

Tina Radcliffe said...

Jack Reacher. Shane, the western movie. All inner mentors.



Chill N said...

Okay, one more comment ... no need to enter me in the drawing.

Now to get back to the WIP.

Nancy C

Tina Radcliffe said...

Get back to that desk, WRITER!!!

Chill N said...

Tina, this is why you've been nominated as Mentor of the Year, you know. That gentle way you have of motivating people ;-)

Nancy C

Tina Radcliffe said...

True. I am such an old softie. Tapping foot. Break time is over, dear.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Mz Zey Zey you really nailed it!@!! Well done!!!

Natalie Monk said...

One of my favorite mentor-types is Mr. Knightly from Emma. He is ever wise, ever the gentleman, but he's also the love interest. I love that combo. I think the author-trouble would come in trying to balance the character so his advice doesn't come across as annoying or know-it-all.

Hmm. Mrs. Weston is also a mentor, I believe. And Mrs. Elton, unwelcome as she may be. Then there's Frank Churchill. Who may also be a mentor who leads Emma astray.

Love this post, Tina! You've given me so much to think about!

I'd love to be put in the drawing for the Hero's 2 Journeys CD.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Indeed, Natalie. I wonder if Jane Austen read this post??

Ruth Logan Herne said...

It seems like so long ago that I was here harrassing Tina about her two bookend boyfriends... whose-its and what's his name.

:)

The only way I DARED TO TEASE HER Was With Food in Hand.... I'm one smart cookie!!!!

Yoda is my favorite mentor. He's brilliant, short, and talks funny.

Sometimes I call Tina "Yoda"....

Hmmm.... (stops. Thinks. Nods.)

That makes perfect sense, doesn't it?????

Ruth Logan Herne said...

Vince, thank you for loving Carmen Bianchi in "Loving the Lawman"!!!!

Me, too. And of course my Italian characters were inspired by Tina Russo Radcliffe and her family... and my old friend Michelle Pecoraro and her family.

So funny to see the similarities between them and the fun, meddlesome but well-meaning Italian family surrounding EVERYTHING. It cracks me up because I don't see it in non-Mediterranean cultures/families. You see family things, but they're different. Greek, Italian, Jewish, and even some of the small Mediterranean countries (having worked with brides....) it's kind of amazing how similar they are!

But I'm careful when I make fun of TEEEEEEENA because she's a trained killer.

I don't want to push too far. :)



Tina Radcliffe said...

True. I can do things with cannoli that would make shock you.

Tanya Agler said...

Tina, I love your post.

I also love Galaxy Quest-Alan Rickman is so awesome. I quote Sigourney Weaver's character all the time when she talks about how she only has one job on the ship but it's all hers.

I love Matthew in Anne of Green Gables too.

One of my favorite mentor scenes is in The Philadelphia Story when Cary Grant and Jimmy Stewart's characters have a discussion and Jimmy Stewart's character is drunk and hiccuping. Cary Grant is the hero so I guess that makes Macauley Connor (Jimmy Stewart's) the mentor.

I own a copy of Shrek but please enter me in the CD drawing.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Yes. Love Galaxy Quest and Phil. Story. Good taste, Tanya.

Janet Ferguson said...

An interesting mentor in Nicholas Spark's safehaven. The dead wife.
I would love to win Hero's journey. I need to listen to it every day. I already own Shrek. Donkey is a fav.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Janet!!! That is brilliant. She is the mentor. Wow, totally hadn't thought of that. (Like the book, btw, not the movie.)

Julie Lessman said...

Okay, I'm losing it ... I could have SWORN I left a comment this morning before I went to my doctor's appt., but I guess not. I did, however, both read this wonderful blog AND watched the ADORABLE Shrek video before I left and about died laughing over the kiss-_ _ _ comment!!!

Now I want to rewatch Shrek, too, so that's on my to-do list.

WOW, who knew??? I have a mentor archetype in each of my books and didn't even realize it, so thanks, Teenster, for the education! :)

Hugs,
Julie

Janet Kerr said...

Thank you for a fascinating post!
Please enter me in the Hero's CD draw and Shrek second.
Jan

Janet Kerr said...

Oh, Tina, I meant to add an example of a Mentor. In the Wizard of Oz, perhaps Glynda the good witch when she mentions to Dorothy that she knew all along how to get home.
Jan

Olivia said...

Hi Tina and Seekeville friends,
This blog reminded me to switch the mentor role in my WIP to another character. The original mentor was killed in the fourth chapter and Moira, the new mentor helps to move the plot along and give the reflection needed by my heroine!
For those of you who want to see the female version of the "Karate Kid" look up "Ramen Girl" on Netflix or Amazon. The roles are very parallel with the heroine stranded in Tokyo and sees her life work as learning to make ramen soup. Her mentor is an ill tempered ramen shop owner who speaks no English.

Tina Radcliffe said...

Hi to Julie, Janet Kerr and Olivia!!!

Janet and Olivia, good mentor comments.