tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post3624544843828228108..comments2024-03-27T03:14:07.652-04:00Comments on Seekerville: The Journey Continues: The Black MomentMissy Tippenshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05480008023330542958noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-75286051721286504042019-04-23T19:06:14.348-04:002019-04-23T19:06:14.348-04:00This is just outstanding and it's true on a sm...This is just outstanding and it's true on a smaller scale for the disaster of each scene. The same guidance follows and you really reminded me of that. Hauge says scenes should end with the character in worse shape than when the scene started. And if you remember these tips, you are prepared to do that. "Ask what is the worst that can happen." This is perfect on a scene level as well. THANK YOU! Even old dogs need reminders.<br />Tina Radcliffehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08115008752066767101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-56582532351559333822019-04-20T00:51:26.003-04:002019-04-20T00:51:26.003-04:00Thanks for the lovely sentiments Debby. And so gla...Thanks for the lovely sentiments Debby. And so glad to hear we see eye to eye on this. Wishing you a happy and blessed Easter.Winnie Griggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295070748234710260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-91851717334487740392019-04-19T16:51:36.998-04:002019-04-19T16:51:36.998-04:00Lovely, Winnie. I'll add to your Good Friday a...Lovely, Winnie. I'll add to your Good Friday analogy. Christ is the perfect hero, who sacrifices himself for the good of all mankind...and would have done it just for you or just for me. <br /><br />I usually have the black moment tie in with the hero or heroine's inner wound, which you explained so beautifully. We see eye to eye on black moments, Winnie!<br /><br />Happy Easter to you and yours.Debby Giustihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09463321611980242375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-54746414280296480252019-04-19T16:40:46.442-04:002019-04-19T16:40:46.442-04:00Oh, I love the Save The Cat books. And building st...Oh, I love the Save The Cat books. And building strong internal conflicts is my Achilles heel, it's one of the last things I nail down. But once I have that in place, the dark moment comes much easier (though they are still a lot of work to execute effectively)Winnie Griggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295070748234710260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-77220716306583339322019-04-19T14:00:06.838-04:002019-04-19T14:00:06.838-04:00Thanks Winnie for your post. I've been reading...Thanks Winnie for your post. I've been reading through "Save the Cat for Novelists" and the black moment is so crucial to the storyline. It makes sense as you read about it but to put in into practice takes such skill to draw the reader through the despair, I hope to aspire to that one day. It's a challenge to come up with believable conflict in the first place, but to throw more wood on the fire...oy vy! Lee-Ann B Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-61062657026787977902019-04-19T13:12:28.813-04:002019-04-19T13:12:28.813-04:00Reading like a Hallmark movie is not a bad thing -...Reading like a Hallmark movie is not a bad thing - in fact those movies are VERY popular with romance readers. And one common outcome of the Black Moment is that the hero and heroine are separated for a time. But take care - you really don't want the conflict to be so 'surface' that one simple conversation could clear it up - it needs to go deeper than that.Winnie Griggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295070748234710260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-25807111788298087972019-04-19T13:09:25.842-04:002019-04-19T13:09:25.842-04:00Cindy, you absolutely want to take your time with ...Cindy, you absolutely want to take your time with this scene and wrest all the emotion you can from it. Your readers will thank you for it! :)Winnie Griggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295070748234710260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-29397793621254320852019-04-19T13:08:14.861-04:002019-04-19T13:08:14.861-04:00Hi Bettie. As I said up front, my posts usually co...Hi Bettie. As I said up front, my posts usually come from my own desire to learn more about a specific topic. So I don't claim to be an expert, just someone trying to improve.<br />Happy Easter weekend.Winnie Griggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295070748234710260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-85417577674636347972019-04-19T13:06:29.652-04:002019-04-19T13:06:29.652-04:00Awww, thanks Jan. I'm glad my tips helped. And...Awww, thanks Jan. I'm glad my tips helped. And happy Easter weekend to you as well.Winnie Griggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295070748234710260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-16600644347853289932019-04-19T13:05:05.453-04:002019-04-19T13:05:05.453-04:00Glad you found some tips in the post you can use, ...Glad you found some tips in the post you can use, and a very happy and blessed Easter to you as well.Winnie Griggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295070748234710260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-23398321602785852312019-04-19T13:03:43.563-04:002019-04-19T13:03:43.563-04:00Hi Missy! I won't say it's one of my favor...Hi Missy! I won't say it's one of my favorites to write since I still agonize over it. And I'm so glad my view of how to approach it resonated with you.Winnie Griggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295070748234710260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-28649291764918603692019-04-19T13:00:07.999-04:002019-04-19T13:00:07.999-04:00Hello Jeanne. I've taken several of Susie'...Hello Jeanne. I've taken several of Susie's classes and I like her concept of the wound and the lie that defines them. And I think diving depp (not overthinking :) ) helps make your story stronger! Glad you enjoyed the post.Winnie Griggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295070748234710260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-2415338239295614152019-04-19T12:50:47.930-04:002019-04-19T12:50:47.930-04:00Hello Connie. You are so right about real life bla...Hello Connie. You are so right about real life black moments. And I wish you a blessed Easter as well.Winnie Griggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295070748234710260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-26723805992632867012019-04-19T12:48:39.445-04:002019-04-19T12:48:39.445-04:00Glad you enjoyed the post Mindy. And I absolutely ...Glad you enjoyed the post Mindy. And I absolutely agree that this scene needs to be an emotional gut punch for the reader.Winnie Griggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295070748234710260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-77112053496513791052019-04-19T12:46:57.217-04:002019-04-19T12:46:57.217-04:00Great insights as always Vince!
Great insights as always Vince!<br />Winnie Griggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295070748234710260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-510552634303417822019-04-19T11:22:04.594-04:002019-04-19T11:22:04.594-04:00My sister tells me my books read a lot like a Hall...My sister tells me my books read a lot like a Hallmark movie. My sweet husband doesn't "get" Hallmark movies. He says, "But it would have all worked out an hour ago if they had just talked to each other." So, I guess, maybe we just need to make sure our characters don't talk to each other for several chapters after the misunderstanding (black moment) to really heighten the tension of it. Ha! This is where my muddled brain went as I read your excellent post. <br />And I thought your ps was perfect.Amy Anguishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08227138959392552195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-21931919397219127062019-04-19T10:49:21.297-04:002019-04-19T10:49:21.297-04:00You named this nemesis of mine. The Black Moment, ...You named this nemesis of mine. The Black Moment, huh? I struggle with it as I'm naturally adverse to conflict. Making my characters go through it is hard but necessary. I always want to hurry and get past it. Guess I'll be spending more time in the black from now on.Cindy Regnierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17311584134259142306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-11913064135618460132019-04-19T10:43:04.601-04:002019-04-19T10:43:04.601-04:00Thank you Winnie, Vince, and others. I need help i...Thank you Winnie, Vince, and others. I need help in this area so this is great information. Bettie Boswell https://www.blogger.com/profile/14557387595895531869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-29876757285451107792019-04-19T10:36:49.541-04:002019-04-19T10:36:49.541-04:00Hi Winnie! I always look forward to your posts. Th...Hi Winnie! I always look forward to your posts. Thank you for another great one.<br /><br />I struggle with the Black Moment. I'm constantly looking for a better way to write it, and your 5 tips have helped!<br /><br />Have a wonderful weekend. Good Friday, the day of waiting, and then the Happiest Ending of All: Resurrection Sunday!Jan Drexlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609332074458434806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-76415981235827752872019-04-19T10:32:29.727-04:002019-04-19T10:32:29.727-04:00Hmm...streams of conflict... That's going in m...Hmm...streams of conflict... That's going in my mental file!Jan Drexlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609332074458434806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-46115059136439238662019-04-19T10:29:17.585-04:002019-04-19T10:29:17.585-04:00Jeanne, I love Susie's plotting methods. Thank...Jeanne, I love Susie's plotting methods. Thanks for sharing that thought on finding the black moment.Missy Tippenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05480008023330542958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-57338788429487251162019-04-19T10:27:43.528-04:002019-04-19T10:27:43.528-04:00Thanks for the great tips, Winnie. I agree that Go...Thanks for the great tips, Winnie. I agree that Good Friday was a most appropriate day. Happy Easter to you.Sandy Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920692341258066387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-24364979253206597192019-04-19T10:27:31.960-04:002019-04-19T10:27:31.960-04:00Amen to that, Connie.Amen to that, Connie.Missy Tippenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05480008023330542958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-35405564491640803842019-04-19T10:26:50.226-04:002019-04-19T10:26:50.226-04:00Definitely heartbreaking for the reader, Mindy! I ...Definitely heartbreaking for the reader, Mindy! I love it stated that way.Missy Tippenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05480008023330542958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3649424089750316818.post-69280393442001731882019-04-19T10:26:00.674-04:002019-04-19T10:26:00.674-04:00Some great ideas, Vince!Some great ideas, Vince!Missy Tippenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05480008023330542958noreply@blogger.com